Walking Dead 4.3 – Isolated

Best Wolverine Impression in an apocalypse goes to: Sheriff Rick Grimes!

They keep pulling me back in!

Last week we ended with Karen and David as charred kebobs, much to Tyreese’s dismay. We pick up with Glenn digging graves next to where Patrick has already been laid to rest, given the spectacles and handgun hanging off a makeshift cross. Glenn makes cow eyes at Maggie a few graves over, and that’s the height of romance in the apocalypse, and make no mistake about it. (Which is good, because the graveyard is growing. Plenty of opportunities for flirting and courting for the young folk.) 

Inside, Doc Hershel and Dr. S (one of the newbs) are checking over patients sick with this new virulent flu (or bacteria, more on that in a bit). Old One Arm with the Rattle Breath gets a forlorn head shake from Dr. S, which sends Doc Hershel onto the next patient while Dr. S takes care of his current patient equine-style.

horse hospital

Tyreese is still heavy breathing in his shock over Karen’s burned body as Rick tries to get all the information. Tyreese went to visit his honey when the piquant scent of Long Pig hit his olfactories, and he come out to find this horrible luau. He screams, “They killed them and set them on fire!” It’s a horrible thing, to be sure. (I still say the sheer volume of blood indicates that they were too far gone to be saved, though.)

Tyreese is beyond sanity at this point, demanding justice, not letting himself be touched to the point of shoving Daryl into the gate as Rick tries to explain that he really understands the anger and revulsion at finding your dead woman’s body – really. But Tyreese doesn’t want to hear it, he wants to be present in his rage and takes a hard swing at Rick, who swings back. And then gets Tyreese on the ground and beats the shit out of him while Carol stares on in horror.

Two things: you’re trying to tell me that a man of Tyreese’s size and clear physical prowess is going to be taken down by ol’ skinny Sheriff? (Whom I love! Understand that I love me some Sheriff Grimes.) And are we to understand that Rick’s losing his cool was in relation to the event? Like Lori PTSD? I can buy that, actually.

Rick, shocked and unhappy with himself, is seen to by Doc Hershel. Perfect time for him to dispense not only first aid, but some good ol’ country wisdom. (Can we talk about the open sores on Rick’s hand in a building where there is a virulent bug ricocheting off all the inhabitants?) Doc reckons it’s time for Rick to let go and let God, take responsibility for himself and others, and join the council. Rick’s too busy eyeing his six shooter and being overcome with how not proud of himself he is to want to bother with any council. His mind’s too full of stuff and thangs to worry about anything else.

Moment of brilliance: Doc says “Something new’s out there,” to which Rick responds, “No. It’s always there.” Humans have always been their own worst enemy.

Tyreese digs the angriest grave in existence when Army Medic Red Shirt comes to see about his wounds. (Ty’s eye is about busted shut.) Tyreese won’t do anything until he gets Karen and David in the ground. To his credit, Army Medic Bob grabs a shovel and gets to work.

Glenn finds his father in law and asks if they’re going to be okay. Sure, they’ll lick this good! Which is when Sasha comes staggering out, coughing and looking like hell. Go on and lick that, Hershel. (And nooooo!! Why are all the Women of Color getting sick?) She’s looking for Dr. S; they let her to it.

(Why were there elephant ears in the prison garden? Those are purely decoration and are horrifically invasive in wetlands. The leaves actually have a potent irritant that numb and itch your lips and throat if you eat it, and not in the fun Novocaine way. I guess the set designers couldn’t get their hands on taro – in the colocasia family along with elephant ears – for the production. YEAH, I’M BRAGGING ABOUT MY PLANT KNOWLEDGE. This is why I’m awesome to have on your Zombie Apocalypse Team.)

Sasha shambles her way to the hospital wing where she hears other people moaning, coughing, and dying in general. One patient has already died and has turned, in fact, but is safely behind bars. Finally the doctor appears looking as bad as she does. “We have to tell them. It’s starting.” Epidemic #2! Errbody getting’ the eye bleeds, y’all.

The council meets: Carol, Daryl, Doc Hershel, Glenn and Michonne. It’s clear that everyone in Cell Block D has been exposed, and the need for isolation is real and imminent. They’ll be moved to Cell Block A while the “most vulnerable” will be kept in quarantine safely away from the outbreak in the admin building. Very smart, I approve. And we see Glenn with the sweats and labored breathing, and I SWEAR TO GOD, STOP KILLING THE POCs, SHOW.

I refuse to believe Glenn will die, though. Je refuse!

Me too, angry cat. Me, too.

Me too, angry cat. Me, too.

Doc Hershel says that antibiotics will work, like those up at the Veterinarian College 50 miles away. Michonne and Daryl are on it, but I want to ask this: why the hell are they using antibiotics for a virus? Which means that it’s not a virus. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Eye Bleeds is caused by a bacteriophage (hosted in soil, can be carried in the intestines of animals like, say, a pig) which is why antibiotics are the answer. Because it’s a virus hosted in a bacteria. (I get up at arms when people have the flu and want antibiotics. NOPE. Not gonna work, and you’re just making bugs stronger.)

Hershel wants to go with Daryl and Michonne, but has to admit when Daryl gently points out that they’ll eventually have to run. [pointed look at Doc’s fake leg] Let’s give Daryl Dixon some credit for being softer and gentler since the angry young man of Season One.

A really clever bike-driven pump is set up outside to work fresh water, but it seems that the hose end is clogged. Carol wants to go out – where they would be at the mercy of their own wits among the Walkers – and fix it ASAP, because you know: water. Rick thinks it can wait a day. (But what if Carol and Rick don’t make it through the day? Eye Bleeds moves really fast, Rick.)

Rick sets her straight (eye roll) and heads over to pay his respects where Tyreese is finishing burying Karen. Ty isn’t interested in the Sheriff’s pretty talk. He wants justice, and either Rick is going to deliver it, or Ty will. Murder is not okay, and murder this was. Rick tries to say that maybe the person was trying to do the right thing for everyone, you know the whole “needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few,” but Ty is pissed off. He guesses he’ll just handle this then. (And he somehow knows that Sasha has the Eye Bleeds coming on.)

Carl is being counted among the “most vulnerable,” which pisses him off, because he shot and killed a man just for snoring too loud! He’s a real man! He’s just waiting for his nuts to drop alongside his voice, mebbe a few chest hairs to sprout, and then they’ll see! They’ll all see! He packs his gun and tells his dad, “You know I might need to use this, don’t you?” And Rick grudgingly nods because yeah. Zombie Apocalypse. Carl just might.

Daryl preps for the trip, Michonne makes sure they have everything, and Daryl says how glad he is that she’s finally joining back in and not running off again. Oh HALE no, son, you did not just hint that Michonne was a coward. No, no! He just… Ahem. He just meant that she needs to move past her death wish for the Gov, because that trail went cold. Time to focus on the here and now, okay? Okay. And what does she think about rounding out their search party to four? (Tyreese, yes!)

The offer is presented to Tyreese, but he’s going to stand guard over Sasha, because he’ll be damned if his sister meets the same fate as Karen.  It’s just Pancho and Lefty, then. And Cheap Wine Gives Me The Shakes Bob.

A sign hangs in the admin offices: “Smooth seas do not make good sailors.” If that was true, then our original band of survivors should all be promoted to Admiral. Doc sighs at it and realizes that babysitting the healthy kids isn’t the best use of his talents. Carl catches him sneaking off and states clearly that he has to go with him to make sure things are okay. And Carl is right, too. Hershel is the only healthy doctor at the prison currently, and that’s a hot commodity.

Carol leads a few more people into isolation; one woman cries out, “It’s just allergies!” Woman, there are no allergies in the Zombie Apocalypse! [And from Patrick’s grave a choked and muffled “Glavin!” can be heard.] Lizzy pulls Carol up short. Lizzy isn’t doing too good, and can Carol go tuck her in? Um, Carol isn’t going to expose herself any more than she already has, okay? But Glenn is inside and he can tuck her in! You know, if he’s still alive? (HE BETTER BE. Oh, whew, he is!) Carol gives her one last hug, pulls the door shut tight, and tries not to break down.

Maggie talks through the door with Beth because Glenn is sick, she’s sick about it, and what are they going to do? Beth had her emotions surgically removed because it won’t do to care in the End Times, guys. “We got jobs to do,” she says with wisdom beyond her teen years. “Ain’t nobody got time to be upset! Focus on your job. We’ll deal with whatever happens. We have to.”

I really love Beth a lot, guys. I’m as shocked as anyone. (Because she was just a background character.)

Doc is picking leaves and berries in the woods with Carl on point. He’s going to make Elderberry tea, a natural remedy for the flu, which is a VIRUS for which ANTIBIOTICS WON’T WORK. (PICK WHAT THE EYE BLEEDS ARE, I BEG YOU, WRITERS.) Doc praises Carl for no longer being a trigger happy shitheel, all growed up and responsible now. Yeah, that’s nice, but Carl sees a ripped up tent yonder.

They go investigate and we see two of (what I think are) the best Walkers in the show yet. One woman has literally grown into the tree, her torso and much of her face gone, wee ferns growing on her rotten skin, yet she still has The Hunger. A clicking metallic noise to Carl’s 3 reveals another woman Walker with a bear trap embedded in her leg. So. Freaking. Awesome. Carl smartly wants to shoot them, but Doc just wants a nice peaceful day.

Protip: If you have the chance to take out a Walker for good, TAKE IT. One less chance for someone to be bitten. One less body pressing on the fence, guys. Come on.

One of the coolest Walkers yet. That's the angriest Dryad ever.

One of the coolest Walkers yet. That’s the angriest Dryad ever.

Tyreese goes to speak through a window to Sasha. She tries to be brave, but it’s hard knowing what this thing can do. He wants her to stay positive, and tells her about the trip Michonne and Daryl are making. That does the trick – real medicine would work, and she might could hang on until they get back. 50 miles isn’t much, after all. This did more to get Tyreese on board with Daryl than anything anyone else could have said. YAY. Sasha, live!!

Army Medic Bob asks Daryl if he’s sure they want him coming along, seeing as the last time ended up with Zack getting killed and stuff. Well… Seeing as he’s the only one who can pronounce the medicines on Doc Hershel’s list, yeah, Daryl’s pretty sure. Tyreese shows up ready to come, too. Hooray! I really love how Daryl has stepped up to be such an effective leader. He knows how to talk to people so they’ll listen, or keep them busy in a way that’s helpful to them. Good job, Dixon.

Carol is at the water tanks (nice 50 gallon industrial tubs! I hope y’all are also using rain barrels, seeing as where you’re all living it’s plentiful) but they’re just about dry. If only someone had been able to get out and fix the pumps, Rick. Tyreese comes past her on his way to grab his gear for the road. He asks her to look after Sasha – he knows how caring she is, after all. He leaves, and Carol goes a little bananas. RED FLAG, FOLKS.

Maggie catches her dad sneaking into Cell Block A, out of quarantine. She’s livid that he’s putting himself in danger like that. Well, you know what? Every day is the day any one of them could die, and he’d rather die helping people make it until the next day, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. “I can do something, so I have to.” Maggie thinks about what Beth told her and with a heavy heart, lets her father go administer to the sick. Poor Maggie. I love that actress, let me just say. She goes to tell Beth what’s happening, but Beth already guessed. “We all got jobs to do,” she says again, and this time, we see she’s crying. It’s hard being responsible, and her only seventeen.

Rick goes to CSI that crime scene. The blood’s been all mopped up and the bodies moved, but Rick sees a bloody handprint on the door down low. I say that’s from Karen or David while they were being dragged out there, like they tried to grab the door. Which means they hadn’t turned, doesn’t it? Eesh.

Carol has the apocalypse-version of a deer knocker to keep the Walkers occupied as she goes to fix the water pump. (I heard them call it the “Birdie?” Love it. It’s a bunch of bike wheels clanging and banging against each other. Walkers is so stupid.)

We can see a Walker coming up behind her in the distance, but she’s aware of her 6. She’s shaking out the mud from the filter end and bangs it hard against the bridge to loosen a plug. Well, that catches the attention of a birdie-Walker, who starts for her. She’s trying to screw the filter back on and isn’t aware that more Walkers are at her 6 and 12 now. Rick happens to be outside, sees all of this, and races to help. It’s intense as she tries to finish the job (may as well die doing her job, right?) when she gets it on, Rick gets the Walker closest to her, and she skull-stabs another. Problem is that her knife won’t come free and there’s another at her side. Shit! Rick shoots it (I like that he missed at first, because no one is 100% accurate) and they make it to safety.

“A piece of cake,” Carol says, bent over while catching her breath. Ha!

The recon team is on the road. Daryl switches the radio on, asking Michonne to find a Fall Out Boy CD when they hear a voice come through on the radio. What says what now? They’re so blown away by that, that Daryl doesn’t realize he’s driven right into a massive herd of Walkers. To the tune of about seven thousand.

Well, that escalated quickly.

Well, that escalated quickly.

Daryl throws it in reverse, backs over so many bodies that the wheels spin out. They are freaking high-centered on Walkers, this is amazing and the gore-hound in me is cackling with glee.

AHHHHHH ha ha ha ha!!  So gross and awesome.

AHHHHHH ha ha ha ha!! So gross and awesome.

They have to make a break for it, because Daryl doesn’t know how to rock the car back and forth from R to D2, I guess? Hurr. R2D2. They all brace themselves, pick a spot to run to, and make their break for it. All but Tyreese, who is just sitting there like a petulant dummy. Well, Medic Bob can’t seem to remember how to make his seat belt work, and finally gets out of there, yelling for Tyreese to come on. Ty finally sighs heavily, gets out, and swings his mighty hammer into every head nearby. Which is like, all of them. TYREESE WHAT ARE YOU DOING KAREN HADN’T EVEN PUT OUT WHAT ON EARTH YOU WERE NOT THAT IN LOVE.

Our last image of him has him being overrun by Walkers. GOD DAMMIT.

Michonne, Daryl and Bob make their way into the woods, taking out a few here and there until they can catch their breath. Daryl hears something ahead – a Walker. Before he can get off a shot, its head goes kersplooey from Ty’s hammer. Yay, he made it! And he’s all covered in monster shit, guh-ross.

Doc pours out his Elderberry tea for Dr. S, who thanks him by coughing blood onto the Doc’s kerchief-covered face. Well, thanks for nothing. Hershel wipes his face with the handkerchief and tosses it to the ground. Well, he’s fucked. He moves on to Glenn, who assures the good doctor that he’s fine. (He’s not coughing up blood at least.) Doc pulls out more of his Christian Country Wisdom and gets Glenn to buck up with a passage about Job and his two inch boils. (Not really, but he should have.)

Carol brings buckets of water to the tanks when Rick quietly and gently tells her that it was stupid to go out there alone. Also, she’d do anything for the group, right? Right. Like, say, drag two dying humans through the hallways, douse them with precious gasoline and set them on fire before they were fully dead? Put a crowbar through their charcoaled brains, maybe?

Carol: Yes.

Rick: [crickets]

 

So! Daryl! You gonna put a bolt in her head when you find out who did it like you promised? Tyreese: you gonna be rational and think about how she was saving more lives than just her own? Shit just got HARD, y’all. Correction: HARDER.

YEP. Harder: the next ep 4.4, Indifference right here.

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  • Amy J.

    They are freaking high-centered on Walkers, this is amazing and the gore-hound in me is cackling with glee.

    Yes! Our reaction was basically, “Ohhhhhhhh Ewwwwww Ha ha ha ha ha!”

    So! Daryl! You gonna put a bolt in her head when you find out who did it like you promised?

    He’d BETTER NOT. There’s only one kind of touching Daryl should be doing of Carol. And it might be the sexay kind of touching. Or at least some hugging. FOR REAL.

    • Haha, that’s about the same series of noises I made, and in that order, too! :D

      Here’s my thinking on where this is all headed with Rick knowing it was Carol: he’s not going to tell anyone who did it. Tempers are going to flare because Ty deserves to know, yadda, and it’s going to be a huge dividing issue for our gang to deal with. Daryl will feel betrayed, Ty won’t know if he’s angry or just sad that it was someone he likes so much, and Rick is going to take a LOT of heat. Just my thought.

      I SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST FOR CAROL/DARYL TOUCHING. Let’s get that in triplicate and processed ASAP.

  • Karen

    Can I just say how much I love you for the Long Pig reference? Heh.

    Yeah, sh*t is gonna hit the fan soon, when the rest of the scoobies find out who done snuffed out Wolf Mama and Drippy from Decatur. I can’t wait until next week to find out Carol’s reasons for doing so. I only hope that we find out that Karen and David were already dead and that Carol made sure they were dead-dead before burning the bodies to take care of any little germs that might want to fly about and kill people. This could really tear the group apart – those that want to kill or kick Carol out of the prison, and those who want to forgive/understand her. Ugh.

    Beth tries so hard to be… hard. But she’s not all the way there yet. She still cares. Which is nice.

    So long, Hershel – it was nice to know you before you caught Bleeding Eyes.

    • I love that you got Long Pig! Goes back to my days as a little girl watching old episodes of Tarzan. (And that’s to account for my irrational fear of quicksand, as well.)

      My thoughts on WHY re: Carol are that she’s learning how to be harder. She’s dealt with the niceties of living in hell waaaaaaay before the apocalypse (abusive marriage) and has become the most practical of them all over time. I think that’s why she and Daryl get along so well. He’s the dreamer and she’s the one standing on the ground. I definitely think that when this all comes out, it’s going to divide the group in a disastrous way. (I just wish Carol that waited for them to die FIRST. That would have been less cruel in the eyes of the others, I believe.)

      “But [Beth’s] not all the way there yet. … Which is nice.” 100% agreed on both counts. We don’t need everyone to be Merle-hard, you know? (Even he had a soft spot for Daryl, though. Beth’s almost dying back in S2 got her on the road to no emotions quicker than the others, imo.

      Sometimes you just get the bleeds… (This is an actual phrase we have in my house when my son or husband find a cut/sore on their body that they can’t explain.)

  • cindergal

    I don’t think Bob the medic is a Red Shirt. ;-) I think there’s lots more to his story.

    And oh boy. As we have already discussed, I agree with you that Rick is going to keep that little tidbit of info about Carol to himself for a bit. I think he will first sit down with the original group and tell them. I can’t imagine how Tyreese is going to react when he finds out – I can’t see him hurting a woman, but then again, I couldn’t see Carol killing innocent people, either. In any case, I’m most interested in seeing Daryl’s reaction to this revelation, of course. I think it will break his heart a little, but he’s going to protect her no matter what. And Carol is going to need a hug, so I hope we finally get to see that.

    I love Daryl and Michonne as BFFs! And apparently, during the months we didn’t see, the two of them were going out on runs together and/or looking for Phillip, because did you catch Michonne asking him before they left if it was going to be like the old times, just the two of them? Aw, they’ve bonded over their love of weapons and a shared desire for revenge! I’m hoping for a flashback.

    And when Rick went all CSI, I thought he was comparing the size of the handprint to his own hand. It was obviously smaller, perhaps leading him to believe it was a woman’s hand – and what other woman would have the balls to do something like that? But! Your idea makes sense, too. Either way, they seemed to be trying to make it quite clear that these people were killed – they had not died and turned. Geez.

    I am worried about Carol – not just because of what the rest of them will think/do, but because of the affect this is going to have on her. As Rick pointed out, she’s made so many sacrifices for all of them, and now this. And it didn’t even work.

    • I think Army Medic Bob is in a pink shirt, with the promise of red, personally. But as you say: time will tell! I think he has a few more monkey wrenches to lob, first.

      Oh, I think you’re spot on with Rick sitting down the original group to tell Carol’s tale. And like you, I’m most curious for Daryl’s reaction. (If Andrea had still been there, I think she would have been horrified.)

      I did get the impression that Daryl and Michonne were Butch and Sundance for the ten months we didn’t see! And then Daryl stayed closer to home, and she drew her circle further and further. I want them to have an epic BrOTP and a spin off show and I would watch the hell out of it. :D

      I def. agree that the point we were to take away from the CSI-ing was that those people were still alive at the end. I can’t see a Walker/freshly turned Walker grabbing at a door, unless it was to grab for her leg. (But that looked like a defensive mark to my untrained eye.)

      “And it didn’t even work.” There’s the rub! That’s why she HAD to get the water. And why she stayed to make sure that the hose was put back – to keep someone from having to come do it after she died. Carol really is an amazing character. How she’s gone from abused, quivering mouse to “Well, guess I better drag these two sick people outside, set them on fire, and then kill their reanimated corpses after teaching the tweens how to gouge out eyeballs…” is AMAZING to watch.

  • cindergal

    BTW, there is TONS of denial in Caryl fandom about whether Carol committed the murders or not. The prevailing theory is that she is covering for Lizzie, who was angry at Karen and David for killing walkers, including her “friend” Nick with the nametag. (Lizzie killed them, and Carol burned the bodies.)

    I don’t really subscribe to that theory, but…thoughts?

    • Oh, fandom. Never change. I don’t think Lizzie could drag two humans – especially if they were sick and “dead weight” all the way through a wing and then outside, manage that heavy metal door, and then think to burn them. I…yeah, I don’t think that’s possible AT. ALL.

      I think it was a huge thing for Carol to baldly admit she’d done it. There was some resigned (almost) pride in her voice, was how I saw it. “This needed doing, and no one seemed willing or able to think of the others. So I did.” Maybe she was thinking about how she’d been scared and let everyone else defend her in S1. Same thing in S2. And what had she done but kept on living the life she had with Ed? Washing up, cooking, tending kids. And Andrea was learning how to shoot with amazing accuracy. Even Lori could shoot and defend her child. And Carol’s child died because (this is Carol’s thinking, imo) she couldn’t defend her, couldn’t FIND her in time, and then there was her being trapped in that cell down below, trying to make it until Daryl found her. And now she has the chance to really contribute. And she’s involved in just about EVERYTHING there at the prison and it’s because she wants to help, wants to contribute.

      And sometimes that means the ugly work. (Wow, I had some thoughts on that, didn’t I! :D)

  • Katy

    I’m hoping the writers know what they are doing having Carol be the killer/burner.

    I’ll add my name to those wanting Carol/Daryl hugs or touching. STAT.

    Also? Let me express my never ending love for your use of a FAR SIDE cartoon.

    • I have a lot of faith in the writers of this show, I’ll say. I think they have an amazing arc planned for us, one that is going to break our hearts to boot. (Yay!) And YES, PLEASE, DARYL PROTECTING CAROL, PLEASE. <3

      I love YOU for loving The Far Side! I think I have a copy of every single Far Side comic book - that is my sense of humor summed up perfectly. :D

  • cindergal

    Oh no – as I said, they (the majority with this theory, at least) think Lizzie killed them and Carol dragged the bodies out and burned them to cover it up.

    There is some logic behind this – Lizzie does have her weird walker obsession, and she was very upset that “they” had “killed” walker Nick. And Carol had called her weak for not using the knife on her father – and towards the end of that episode, I think, she had taken the knife from Carol’s hand. And Lizzie’s just messed up – as her sister confirmed.

    The part that doesn’t make sense is why Carol would cover it up. I can’t think of why she would. As protective as she might be over the girls, she would more likely think Lizzie a danger to the group if she had done that (and for those reasons). And I think Carol’s behavior after definitely speaks to her having done it herself. And I can understand why she did, because of everything you point out, and also – because she is damaged. They all are, in different ways. But Carol had been living in hell long before the walkers. At the same time, I can understand the people who love her and are upset and feel that this is OOC.

    I don’t know if you saw the deleted scene between Carol and Merle from last season. In it, Carol brings Merle his dinner in his cell, he thanks her kindly and asks her to sit down, and she does. And proceeds to calmly tell him that if he messes with Daryl, she will cut his throat in his sleep. If they had left that scene in, this latest development with Carol would not seem OOC to so many people.

    But yeah, mostly people are grasping at straws because they think that this means the death of their ship before it even gets started, and…it might. Time will tell.

    • AH! I didn’t catch the bit about Carol assisting her! Eesh, that makes it even more unbelievable to me, honestly. That’s a LOT of story happening off camera (Nick being killed, Lizzie’s reaction to it – I don’t recall that happening in ep.2, or did I totally blank on that?) to support that theory. Plus, that’s a big plot point to give to a brand new character, so I can’t really buy it from a writer’s standpoint, either.

      I think people forget (as you said, and as I try to remind people, too) that Carol was living in her own personal hell LONG before Walkers. She’s had more time to process the evil that men do, how to survive, and so on. (As has Daryl, which is why they work together as a friendship.) I did see that deleted scene from last season, and I agree that it helps explain her actions now.

      HOWEVER. I try to only consider final cut scenes as aired as canon and don’t tend to think on anything deleted or any paths the writers considered before they hit on the end product when I write these recaps and discussion posts. For me, the Carol we saw on screen and have been watching on our screens has had a natural progression to where we’ve left it. I don’t think she’s OOC at all.

      As a FAN, I can see – as you’ve also stated – that fans are bending stories to fit their ‘ship. We all do it at some point or another. One thing I love about this show is how smart the writers typically are. Sure, they’ve made some mistakes, but I think they’ve mostly left those behind a while back. I believe they’re going to have these characters develop into who they really would be, regardless of trying to create relationships. One of the only real relationships they’ve put a priority on was the one with our original family, Carl, Rick and Lori. But that makes sense, seeing as it’s the foundation for the hero of the show – we’re seeing what this world would do to him, to his family, to their sense of self. Maggie and Glenn would be the other, representing the “despite all odds, romance!” aspect.

      Everyone else, Andrea and the Gov, Andrea and Michonne, Shane and Lori – those are all relationships by virtue of being alone day in and day out with someone you can abide. Those actually feel the most real to me, for all that they’re ephemeral and can’t last. (And haven’t.) Carol and Daryl’s friendship (for now!) has naturally evolved out of respect for one another and a sense of kindred spirits, and I can’t imagine the writers playing fast and loose with that, with how carefully they’ve been crafting it over the past three seasons and change.

    • (And it’s making me SO HAPPY to have someone to talk to about all of this!!! YOU ARE A DELIGHT.)

  • cindergal

    Yes, after Carol told Lizzie she was weak out in the yard, she saw Nick was dead and got upset and ran off. That’s when her sister said, she’s not weak, she’s just messed up, LOL!

    I do not necessarily think Carol’s actions are OOC, but I think an argument can be that it’s a big jump to go from telling Andrea to kill the Governor last season to killing two innocent people with her own two hands this season. People who were part of her group, even if they were newcomers. Karen especially had been there a long time and seemed to have formed relationships with them all. If Maggie and Glen had been the ones to get sick would Carol have done the same thing? I’m just sayin’ – this is a big step for her character to take.

    I’m not sure what you mean by the writers not playing fast and loose with Daryl and Carol’s relationship? I didn’t mean to imply I thought they would. Personally, I am a huge fan of their relationship as it is and the slow growth we’ve seen so far. So while I ship them, I am in no hurry for their relationship to progress to a big romance, really. I wouldn’t mind it, but I would actually be disappointed if that happened too fast. And now that this has happened, it’s hard to say in what direction their relationship will go. I’m looking forward to finding out though! I hope they don’t keep Daryl and co. out in the wilderness too long.

    I love talking to you about this stuff too! I’m so glad you do these recaps and we can have these conversations. Tumblr is nice and all, but I can only look at so many pretty pictures of Norman Reedus, you know? ;-)

    • Ah, see, I didn’t even register that she was upset about Nick, I just thought she was upset about being called weak. It was such a non-moment to me (aside from wondering why Carol was being so hard on her) that I didn’t pick up on that.

      It’s absolutely a big step for Carol to have taken. I don’t know that I would equate 10 months of peace with Karen and David to the two years (ish) of absolute hell that Carol had gone through with Glenn (and with Maggie for most of that time as well), but it was harsh. I think everything we’ve seen her deal with – including the twisted nature of the Gov., because you know Michonne had things to say and Carol would have heard the stories – has pushed her to being hard. Now, I do think it could be said that she’s pushing HERSELF to be hard, and this is how she’s interpreting that.

      Oh, I wasn’t picking on you in the slightest re: fast and loose! I’m sorry if you thought I was! I meant to say that the writers seem to be carefully cultivating that relationship in a way that leads me to believe we’re going to get more emotional story line from them, and I think they’re bringing them to an understanding that will satisfy the likes of you and I. And like you, romantic or no, I like them being supportive of each other, period. I mean, Daryl stood up for Merle, for whom he had no reason to do so. And he genuinely cares for Carol, so I do think he’ll hear her out and be forgiving. If THAT doesn’t happen (as the show stands as of 4.3) I’ll feel things are OOC.

      I mean, this is all speculation and conjecture on my part, ha, because WHO KNOWS?! This show has zigged when I thought it would zag, so. [hands] Which is why I love it. And ha – yes to Tumblr! I love gif sets, but I want to hear people’s THOUGHTS. So on that note, would Michonne be understanding of Carole or judgmental? (Feel free not to answer, if I’m wearing you out! :D)

      • cindergal

        Oh, and sorry I keep replying in the wrong place! Once I get to the end of the comment I forget that the reply button is up there at the top. I’ll get used to it eventually. ;-)

        • haha, no worries! I reply on the back end, so I just see the latest thing you’ve posted and reply to it. :)

  • Karen

    I’ll butt into the conversation, if you don’t mind. I think ultimately that Michonne would understand why Carol did what she did, even if she wouldn’t do it herself. I have a feeling that she’s had to do bad things in order to survive herself. After all, Michonne was the one who killed the crazy old man in the cabin, instead of just knocking him out or stuffing something in his mouth so that he couldn’t make noise. Her hands aren’t exactly blood-free.

    And yes, Lizzie was upset when Walker Nick died. She was at the fence and when she saw his body, she said, “Why did he have to die? He was special”. And that was when Carol told her that she was projecting her dad’s death on to Walker Nick, and that she was really grieving for her dad.

    And if Daryl turns his back on Carol… well, then he’s not worthy of her. But I can see Rick keeping this information to himself so that he doesn’t have to try Tyreese for the murder of Carol.

    • cindergal

      I almost forgot about Michonne killing that old man in the cabin. You’re right – her hands are certainly not blood free. I’m sure she’s had to do some hard things to survive before she met Andrea and the group, as well. But so far as we’ve seen, not quite as calculated as Carol’s actions here. But I agree – as I said below, I think she’ll probably understand, too.

      I will be shocked if Daryl turns his back on Carol. They have been through too much together. I am so looking forward to his reaction, though. And that of Tyreese.

    • Karen, I never mind people commenting on other comments! Always feel free to do that, should the mood strike you.

      I 100% agree with you about Michonne: she’d understand and she wouldn’t be able to do it herself. Michonne has a LOT of blood on her hands, and I think the only remaining blood she’s comfortable getting there (aside from Walkers, because they don’t count) is the Gov’s.

      I totally missed Lizzie saying Nick was special. How the hell did that happen? I must have been writing notes furiously.

      (And I can see Rick not talking about it, as well.)

  • cindergal

    I think a lot of people took note of Lizzie’s walker obsession because of the fact that someone is feeding the walkers and drawing them to the fence. And also, she’s just a strange little girl. ;-)

    I didn’t mean to equate Karen with Glenn and Maggie. (Why can’t you read my mind, Laura. It would make things so much easier. ;-p) I just mean…how far would Carol go? Karen is not some random stranger. She was presumably a friend. Not that it’s okay to kill random strangers, either, but…where does Carol draw the line? I mean, Rick has killed people, but all, IIRC, in self-defense (the convict, the guys in the bar, Shane). And now I am remembering those three questions they ask before bringing anyone in, and I wonder if Carol’s answers to those last two would satisfy the group if they didn’t know her and consider her family? How many people have you killed – and why?

    Oh, Michonne – what will she think? It’s really hard to say. I think she and Carol actually have a lot in common. I think she probably lost a child as well. I think that her boyfriend was probably abusive given her comments about him to Andrea last season. I would love to see more of a friendship between them develop onscreen. *crosses fingers* I think Michonne will understand to a certain extent why Carol did what she did. Then again, Michonne has a very strong sense of what she believes is right and wrong. I mostly just want to see some interaction between the two of them. We’ve gotten very little so far, and there need to be more female friendships, especially now that Lori and Andrea are gone.

    • Hahaha, I WILL WORK ON MY MIND READING. I think Carol saw how quickly the Eye Bleeds moves and now she has two little girls in her charge, girls she can do better for than she did for her own flesh and blood. I think that might be driving some of this conviction to do the right thing (in her eyes). I really think that on paper what Carol did would look acceptable to Rick’s 3 Questions.

      OH, TO HAVE A MICHONNE/CAROL FRIENDSHIP ON MY SCREEN!! There’s a huge lack of female friendships on most of television, and we had a taste of it with Andrea and Michonne. But I want more, too.

      • cindergal

        Yeah, but the kicker is – what she did didn’t work. And now Hershel is going to be healing people with freaking elderberry tea. I totally get why she did it (I even wrote fanfic, between seasons, about why Carol was teaching the kids to use knives), but we have already seen how this is weighing on her, and it’s only going to get worse. Oh, Carol. (and I’m really looking forward to that is that wrong?) ;-)

        • This serves as an excellent reminder that I have your fanfic to read! <3 (And if you're wrong, then so am I, and I don't wanna be right!)

  • Chris

    Man, I would be right up there with the denial about Carol if I hadn’t had time to acclimatize.

    I thought it was weird that they were going to get antibiotics for the flu, but I didn’t catch that they kept going back and forth on it! Man, Herschel should know better.

    • I was VERY FRUSTRATED (as a Microbiology student) that they couldn’t decide how to deal/name the Eye Bleeds, so I offer to any writers who might stumble upon this: BACTERIOPHAGE, thus the use of antibiotics is justified. Otherwise, ANTI-VIRALS. (this rant brought to you by someone who is tired of people getting antibiotics for every damn thing leading to Super Bugs.)

      • Karen

        I’m right there with ya with the antibiotics. Super Bugs freaks me the heck out. I get really rage-y with doctors who seem to hand them out like candy. I have to tell myself that they’re actually giving the sick derps placebos, whether they are or not.

        • OMG, from this point on I will convince myself that the doctors are passing out placebos. Mmm, sugar pills…