Walking Dead 4.8 – Too Far Gone

Me, watching my husband watch this ep.

Me, watching my husband watch this ep.

[Previously!] Well, that title tells us the answer to this season’s big question: Can you come back from the things you had to do to survive? Well, it answers it for one person in particular. And in the words of Gen. Patton, “remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his.”

 

So, it’s time for an old fashioned Wild West Showdown. We open with cut scenes from last week’s end (Gov and his gun on Michonne and Doc Hershel) and the Gov/Brian/Phillip doing his best pre-Helm’s Deep Théoden speech to the RV Crew (Yeah, I just nerded out that hard.) “Let this be the hour when we draw swords together. Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin, and the red dawn!”

Okay, he’s not so fancy. He’s all, “No more Mister Nice Guy, because Nice Guys are eaten first. No more trying to do for other people, because other people won’t care about your family. No more trying to do what’s right; there’s only do what will keep us alive. Gosh, I sure don’t want us to have to kill anyone.”

Cut to Gov conking Michonne with the butt of his handgun and then training it on Hershel. He had evidently taken them as hostages and now addresses his RV Crew some more. “So, I took some hostages from the prison. Which we’re also taking. Because we’re better people than they are. Why, they hurt my family! Didn’t matter that my daughter was already a Walker, it wasn’t nice of them. So yeah. We’re doing that. And, uh, be prepared for bloodshed.” His sad face gets through to most of the RV Crew.

Lily, though… Lily’s wheels are turning.

(By the way, in the opening credits, there’s a shot of a bullet shell and a millipede. My husband and I finally figured out it’s a Federal .45 ACP – automatic Colt pistol – but Rick has a Colt Python. That gun shoots .357s or .38s. Remember the gun Rick dug up in the tomato patch? “This row is 9mm, and next year we’re going to bring in a crop of 10mm!” That particular garden gun shoots that .45 ACP round. I have no idea if this will truly be significant yet, I’m still thinking on it, but they never do things by halves here. Always pay attention to opening credits – they tell a lot of the story. Edit: yep. It matters. You just keep reading.)

Gov continues his schpiel about how enough people in the prison are bad, meaning that everyone in the jail is bad by association. That’s how it works. Oh, so that means everyone with you, Gov, is bad and deserves to die? Uh huh. He talks to Lily and says enough half-truths to get her to focus on the ring of believability about the shoulds he’s presenting to the group, when he tosses out an “I love you.”

I think that was his big mistake with her. Lily’s gut was churning, and nothing makes a woman more suspicious than a specifically timed “love you.” It’s like showing up with grocery store flowers. WHAT DID YOU DO, BUDDY? Never trust surprise grocery store flowers, ladies. Also, they’re crappy flowers. I have issues, clearly. Ahem.

The Gov visits the hostage trailer where Michonne (who starts off by explaining calmly to the Gov that she will kill him) and Hershel are being held. They get rations with an extra heaping helping of BS (“I know Penny was dead when you did that, Michonne. I understand, and there are no hard feelings”.) and he tells them that he’s taking the prison.

Because Hershel is a man of reason, he explains that there’s no reason why the RV Crew can’t be absorbed into the prison population. Well, the Gov is a part of the Crew, and he’s clearly never going to be able to live with Michonne or Rick. So. The Gov uses his patient daddy voice and says he’s really being sweet here, okay? He’s not killing anyone this time, and gosh, he sure hopes everyone realizes how nice he is and gets the fuck out of the prison so no one has to die. Because if people die, that’s their fault, not his.

Straight out of an abuser’s handbook, that is. Hershel, though, still tries to appeal to Phillip, the once-father of Penny. Because if people die, it’s most likely going to be Hershel’s daughters, who are innocent. The Gov adjusts the ice block he uses as a heart and says, “Yeah, but those aren’t my daughters.” Hershel? This is who you’re dealing with. He doesn’t care about anything outside his own creation.

The RV Crew breaks into two groups: fighters and fort-holding-downers. (Not official titles.) Lily isn’t happy about any of this, because who’s going to be there to watch Meghan and her? Oh, but they’re across from water, and everyone knows that water is like stairs: Walkers can’t manage them. He moseys over to Meghan, who is inexplicably making mud pies, even though the child is probably nine or ten, and I have daughters, and they’re way beyond this come the hell on. BUT IT’S IMPORTANT LATER, I GET IT. I’m just eye rolling. They hug and share love yous as Lily watches, wheels still a’turning.

We cut to the prison to learn that a) Glenn is alive and on the mend, b) Glenn and Maggie are the cutest couple still, and c) Rick is breaking the news to Daryl about Carol. It doesn’t go well. Daryl is very upset, doesn’t understand, not even when Rick says that she flat out confessed to killing their own and burning them.

“That’s her, but that ain’t her,” Daryl says, and I sort of get what he means. It’s Carol between a rock and a hard place with Walkers dropping from the sky.

(I’m ignoring the really overwrought scene with Sasha and Medic Bob and her thanks and without you hand feeding me meds I’d never feel the sun on my skin and as God is my witness, I’ll never be sick again! scene because it was weirdly dramatic.)

Daryl makes Rick go tell Tyreese right then, which means they’re heading down into the catacombs. Ty has found a jackrabbit nailed to a board with a big ol’ bite taken out of its gut, which means there’s a psychopath at the prison, and this is the person who was feeding Templetons to the Walkers, which means they’re the person who killed Karen and David and–

Rick: Yeah, not so fast on that last one.

Ty: Huh?

World: EXPLOSION GO BOOM SHAKE THE GROUND!

What the what? Everyone goes running to the surface and finds that hey, there’s a tank aimed at the prison and a V of trucks loaded down with heavy artillery and HOLY SHIT THE GOV IS LEADING THEM, WHAT DO?

Can I borrow a cup of sugar? And by sugar I mean your house and by borrow I mean take.

Can I borrow a cup of sugar? And by sugar I mean the prison and by borrow I mean take.

Gov: Hey! Mighty fine digs you got here. Come on over and let’s have us a confab, Rick.

Rick: I don’t do that anymore, the Ricktatorship was overthrown, long live the Council, even though most of them are missing.

Gov: Yeah, about that… [shows Doc and Michonne] I bet I can get their votes.

And this is where my husband and I tore at our hair and said, WHERE ARE THE SNIPERS? Because you take out the Gov, no one would be expecting that, then you take out the guy standing on the tank (Mitch), because that’s the biggest threat, and with the exception of Alisha and one other guy no one else has actual battlefield training and they’ll scatter when they start hearing the pop of gunfire. Then you pick off any folks trying to shoot back, quarantine any who surrender, and move on with your life.

GOD.

Okay, Rick is scared (which I get) and heads down to “talk” and you know he’s thinking he’s going to die, because he whispers something we can’t hear to Carl and faces the Gov through the fence. Daryl melts into the background to get people on Operation Bug Out By Bus.

Gov explains that they have until sundown to leave. He doesn’t want to destroy the prison, seeing as it’s going to be his new home, but they will kill anyone who fights them on this.

Rick: JFC, we have sick kids!

Gov: I have a sick ass tank, did you see it? It goes forwards and backwards and blows buildings up!

Daryl quietly rolls up some laundry hampers filled with weapons and starts passing them out to Maggie, Tyreese, Sasha, etc, because he is the freaking best. HE IS THE BEST.

Back at RV Camp, Lily stares at the water, thinking. Wow, her wheels don’t turn too quickly, do they? She sees a Walker approach from the opposite bank and freezes, noting that Meghan is playing on the riverbank in her damn mud. Meghan calls out to her mom that she “found something” and raise your hand if you thought it was a hatch door? Just me? Instead, it’s an old muddy sign. Lily can’t look at her daughter, because she’s watching that Walker from 100 yards off shambling into the water. And oho, it looks like they CAN cross water, because this one is stumbling along, just as fine as–

Oh, nope, it fell down and the current pulled it away. Whew! And we see Meghan wiping off the sign, which reads: GORL YOU IN DANGER. (Or Warning: Flash Flood Area, which is so damn cool, I can’t even begin because OKAY, I SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING, AND I LIKE IT.)

The ground heaves and shifts behind Meghan, and it’s a HEAD and then it is a HAND and it GRABS HER and pulls itself up and it’s a WALKER and it freaking BITES THE CHILD AND WOW I DIDN’T THINK THEY WOULD GO THERE AND THEY DID AND I LOVE IT!!

TWD bank walker 1

TWD bank walker 2

DO YOU SELL GIRL SCOUT COOKIES?!

Lily shoots the Walker, but it’s too late.

Doc Hershel kneels on the ground at the Gov’s feet, still trying to be decent and thoughtful, and there’s no room in this world for that anymore, Raisin Eyes! [gross sobbing] Gov picks off two Walkers approaching and points out to Rick that the noise will draw more of them, which will make it harder for his people to escape. Because they’re still on that plan.

And in the most frustrating scene in the whole episode, Daryl and Carl stand in the courtyard, guns trained on the Gov, and Carl – who has become the best of all of them somehow, GOD DAMMIT CARL – says they should take the Gov out. And they DON’T because Daryl’s all, “But he’s 50 yards away, we could miss!”

My husband threw his hands up in the air and shouted, “I could shoot him with my dick!” Classy guy, my husband. But okay, let’s break their weapons down.

Daryl: AR-15 with an EOTech optic, designed to hit targets 300 yards away. Cake walk.

Carl: freaking Marlin 1894 with GEE DEE COWBOY ACTION (lever action, like the Rifleman) and HEY. GUESS WHAT IT SHOOTS OH MY GOD: .45 freaking ACP. Carl is going to survive this whole thing, trust. That gun has iron sights, and you could hit a sniveling bitch 100 yards away with one hand tied behind your back and oh my goodness, just SHOOT THE GOV! I mean, whatever, the fog of war, could get messy… Find your nuts, and cowboy up, son!

The kids are bugging out to the bus, and they’re carrying Judith in her car seat. Lizzie, though, has decided to follow Carol’s advice (wow) and stand strong. She’s not leaving, she’s fighting. Right attitude, wrong time to express it, kid. You need a little more experience on your resume.

Rick, watching Doc as he comes to terms with the fact that he’s most likely not getting out of this alive, says to the RV Militia that they could all live together. After all, Rick has happily taken in Gov’s people in the past (oh, how I wished he’d gone into detail here).

The Gov says nope, that won’t work. Not after Andrea. (UM, WHO YOU KILLED? THE HELL? Rick, ask the Militia what they know about Andrea, oh my gooooosh!) Rick points out that if the Gov’s people blow the fence, that will draw more Walkers and they’ll no longer have any protection themselves.

Look at this brave, tough, summbitch. YOU WERE A SHIP AWAY FROM BEING A PIRATE CAPTAIN, GOOD SIR!

Look at this brave, tough, summbitch. YOU WERE A SHIP AWAY FROM BEING A PIRATE CAPTAIN, GOOD SIR!

“We’ll fix the damn fences,” the Gov snarls, and holds the sword to Doc Hershel’s neck. Beth and Maggie freak out, of course. Tara’s eyes go wide and finally starts listening to Rick, because yeah, she was following a mad man she’s realizing. Rick watches Doc  and says to the group, “No one else has to die. No one should die. We can still come back. We’re not too far gone. We can come back. We can all change!”

(So…this means Carol can come back, right?)

Gov chokes up on the katana’s handle and says, “Liar.” AND CHOPS DOC’S HEAD HALFWAY OFF OH DEAR LORD, HE COULDN’T EVEN DO THAT RIGHT?!! Freaking TAKE HIM, CARL!

Oh holy crap, they can hear me, because Carl shoots and tags the Gov in the arm! Maggie unloads her rifle, screaming and crying, and Michonne rolls out of danger and gets to sawing at her bound wrists, because this is a woman who is everyone I want to be in life. Doc crawls to her, not quite dead but bleeding out. The Gov takes care of that with a swift slice and wow. RIP, Hershel, you were the nicest Veterinarian the show had ever seen. [plays TAPS]

The Gov looks up and sees Lily holding Meghan’s body, walking towards him. He coolly takes Meghan in his arms and shoots her brain and yep, Lily, you had the right idea all along. He ain’t no baby daddy.

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to make mud pies. Make 'em have crayons and markers and such.

Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to make mud pies. Make ’em have crayons and markers and such.

Gov orders the troops to roll in over the fences and take it – and kill them all.

They knock the fences down because they’re idiots YOU HAVE A TANK YOU CAN FIRE OVER THE FENCE and not RUIN YOUR NEW HOME, and everyone inside the prison courtyard scatters as they try to get to safety and kill as many of the RV Militia as they can. Walkers follow the tank and trucks inside, so there’s that fun addition to the battle happening.

Maggie gets Glenn on the bus, goes off to find Beth, who isn’t where she’s supposed to be. God dammit Beth, get in the house bus! Rick tackles the Gov and whales on him, but the Gov gets the upper hand somehow and starts turning Rick’s face into hamburger with his fist. Tara freaks and walks off, done fighting. Medic Bob gets shot and keeps going, Tyreese is penned in by Alisha, but Lizzie shows up and shoots Alisha in the brain box, and wow, that was a terrific shot, kid! Um…super terrific and wholly unbelievable, but it saved Ty, so I’m all for it. Daryl is on full auto (no! Stay on semi with bursts of three!) and doesn’t seem to realize a Walker is creeping up on him from behind, and I swear to god, show, you kill Daryl and I’m burning this place to the ground!

If you're not in love with Daryl, you're wrong.

If you’re not in love with Daryl, you’re wrong.

Oh, okay, he kills the Walker and is uses it as cover (like Carol did when Yosemite Sam was shot) and tosses a grenade down the gun barrel of the tank, and that is so sweet I can’t even act like I didn’t pump my fist in the air and cheered. He even gets an arrow in Mitch’s chest, right through the heart. Later, Acevedo. (Crying, I love him.)

The Gov is actually killing Rick, hands around his neck and choking him holy crap, when SWORD THROUGH THE BREATH BAGS, Michonne stands victorious behind them both, katana blade in hand with a matching hole in the Gov’s chest. Oooooooh. So, so sweet. [fingers kiss] Rick gets his breath back enough to call out for Carl. Michonne doesn’t know where Carl is, and takes off to look, I guess, after sneering down at the Gov, who is most certainly going to die. She leaves him to it.

So everyone has scattered, the bus has left, Maggie isn’t on it, Daryl finds Beth and they leave, Ty bugs out somewhere, Michonne left on her own, and we see Rick confronted with Walkers. He has no weapon on him, but that doesn’t matter because Carl, the real hero, takes them out. Neither of them know where Judith is, and they’re freaking. Especially when they see her car seat, bloody and without a baby in it. MORE ON THIS IN A MINUTE. Rick gets the sobs (understandable) and Carl takes his anger out on Walkers, crying.

This, uh, doesn't look good for that appetizer, I mean, baby.

This, uh, doesn’t look good for that appetizer, I mean, baby.

The prison is overrun now, and they need to get.

Lily stands over the Gov, a look of disgust on her face and shoots him in the head. Nice. We see a muddy boot step on the chess piece, the One Eyed King, fallen. DOUBLE NICE.

And now we just have to wait until February, and try not to get the shakes. JEEZ.

Also, THIS IS CLARA. REMEMBER HER? This is why we ALWAYS TAKE OUT WALKERS. Because they come back, for crying out loud. ALWAYS TAKE OUT WALKERS.

I mean, she kept her man's head in a bag and was going to FEED RICK TO IT. JFC.

I mean, she kept her man’s head in a bag and was going to FEED RICK TO IT. JFC.

Okay, so my hope is that they’ll meet up with Carol, somehow. If it’s Rick, that would be best, because they need to sort out their “can you come back from that?” thing, because Rick owes her time to apologize and needs to apologize himself. Also, I think Michonne has Judith, that she pulled Judith to safety in the nick of time. The seat belt was unlocked. Walkers can’t do that! I think the whole “Where’s Carl?” thing got her mommy senses tingling.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, GUYS? Man, this was a white knuckler, and I loved it. LOVED.

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  • Katy

    I love it when you nerd out hard.

    OH HERSHEL *ugly sobbin* When he was crawling away I thought Michonne might have to do the right thing and finish him, boy was I wrong.

    So glad to see the end of Govenor Patchy (we saw fan art calling him that and it stuck).

    We got Daryl’s reaction! (It would have been better if he socked Rick at least once but I’ll take what I can get).

    And yes on Judith. Hubby pointed out she’d been unbuckled so there’s hope. IS IT FEBRUARY YET LAURA??

    • Then I guess you love me all the time! :D

      HERSHEL. his passing was way harder on me than Dale’s. He was a daddy, and his girls loved him. Also, he had VERY IMPORTANT SKILLS. D: Oh man, I’m glad Michonne didn’t have to finish him off, too. I actually hadn’t thought of it!! DOUBLE D:

      I am SO happy that Daryl reacted as he did. And what would be awesome would be for Daryl to find Carol out in the wild, for them to reconnect and build a stronger friendship, and then they find Rick and things go wonky. I COULD HANDLE THAT. It would hurt, but I would like that kind of hurt? IDK, I’m broken.

      HOW DO WE WAIT?! HOW.

  • Suzanne

    Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to make mud pies. Make ‘em have crayons and markers and such.K The laugh I gave to that is the only peace I take away from this episode. HOLD ME.

    • I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT WAS FOR YOU. TOTALLY.

      All you. :D

    • Theora

      Seriously. My kids are more supervised than that outdoors and we’re not in the middle of the fucking zombie apocalypse. Like, dude.

  • Karen

    Heh. Poor old Santy Hershel, killed right before Christmas! Now how will all the good children get new guns for Christmas? Did you stop to think of that, Gov? Didja?

    I think Judith is with the kids – Lizzie, Mika, Luke and Molly. They were the ones hauling her to the bus before they stopped for gun practice. And I think Tyreese will be with them, as he took off in the same direction. Now who will be babysitting whom? Seems like the kids have more mad skilz than Tyreese at this point.

    I’m willing to bet that Michonne bugged out to get her horse. Can’t be having another Horse D’oevres, right? And I see Beth gave up her pledge not to cry no more. Sorry Zach, you just don’t equal Hershel in Beth’s Big Book of Sobs.

    Why was Megan playing so far away from her mother in the za? Sure, she believed walkers couldn’t cross the stream, but there were some pretty dicey woods right behind the little girl, just perfect cover for a walker or three to come crashing through. Lily – worst mother in the za since Lori. And how did Lily find the prison so fast anyway? And wasn’t she the lucky one that Megan didn’t turn as she was carrying her? And what happened to the other kids Lily was suppose to be watching? Did she leave them on their own?

    Tara was about as useful as lipstick on a pig, I see, for all her bravado.

    I wonder if Glenn is leading all the red shirts on the bus in a few rounds of music. Road trip!

    • I would have thought that Judith was still with the other kids, except for how Lizzie and Mika broke off, and the other two kids took off running. WE WILL FIND OUT FOR SURE, THOUGH.

      Meghan all the way over in her mud pile was SO DAMN STUPID. She deserved to die (hey, I’m a horrible person, whee!) for being so unaware of her surroundings. I mean, the prison kids had already taken Knife 240: Better Handling and Stabbing by the time they were Meghan’s age!

      I would guess Meghan hadn’t died from her bite, but was slowly bleeding out, since she just got a neck chomp before Lily shot the Walker. That’s the only reason I can come up with for her not turning in her mom’s arms. Seems sound to me.

  • MP

    THE CHILDREN AND/OR MICHONNE HAVE JUDITH GODDAMMIT.

    (Also, man, who *is* our psycho ratcarver, since it’s clearly not Carol? I… kind of horribly wonder if it’s one of the kids — possibly Lizzie for maximum fuckeduppery — demonstrating via broken brains that there are things you *can’t* come back from.)

    • I REALLY THINK MICHONNE HAS HER.

      I THINK THE PSYCHO RAT FEEDER IS LIZZIE. I think I’ve mentioned that before, but if not, I TOTALLY THINK IT’S LIZZIE.

      • MP

        I think you mentioned suspecting she was feeding the rats to the Walkers, yup. I just wasn’t sure if that suspicion holds now that it’s not just “Aww, I think they’re still people” and is also “I be slicin’ up small animals for funsies.” (Or IDEK – maybe she’s trying to teach herself surgery or anatomy in the most creeptastic way possible, as opposed to just for funsies.)

        • Nothing would make me happier than learning that Lizzie was down in the catacombs with a Grey’s Anatomy and a nailboard. HOW CREEPY IS THAT? Also, there are only humans in Grey’s Anatomy, which proves Lizzie is a dummy.

      • Karen

        I suspect it’s Mika, myself. You always should mistrust the quiet ones. Just sayin’….

        • That would be awesome for it to be her! I think they’re building it up to be Lizzie, personally, because of her whole sympathy for Walkers thing, but time will tell!

  • Liz

    I CAN’T EVEN WITH THIS EPISODE I MEAN COME ON

    COME THE FUCK ON

    I GREW UP ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE AND EVEN I KNOW THAT IF YOU SEE A BUNCH OF FRESHLY TURNED EARTH BY A RIVERSIDE THEN YOU ARE IN A BAD PLACE WHERE BAD THINGS HAPPEN EVEN IF YOU DON’T HAPPEN TO BE IN A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE I S2G HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE

    y’all deserved to die and are not invited to be on my fantasy zombie apocalyse team i tell you what

    • THAT CHILD WAS TOO STUPID TO LIVE. It was a kindness, really. A KINDNESS.

      The only thing I hate about all of these stupid humans running around is that they’ll CLEARLY ALL be turned into Walkers, and don’t I have enough to do in this apocalypse? FFS.

  • Liz

    laura i laughed so fucking hard when they showed the bloody babby seat

    SO HARD

    THE MOST HARD

    THEN THEY CRIED AND I LAUGHED MORE

    delicious tender baby flesh om nom nom

    • MMM, and Judith was marinated in her mommy’s tears from the womb, so she’ll have a little bitter bite at the end. OHO.

      That seat was just a crouton.

      • Liz

        OH GOD WHAT IF SHE SHOWS UP AS A ZOMBABBY

        • Now all I can picture is the ceiling babby in Trainspotting. WHAT HORROR HAVE YOU UNLEASHED ON MY MIND, LIZ?!

  • Matt

    Hi, so glad I found this site! You’re recaps are the best(and I read a lot of them). Anyway…
    I like the theory that Lizzie fed the walkers. I may be way off but I think she may have murdered the sick people too and Carol covered for her. Remember when she told Carol she wasn’t afraid to do it when they were outside the fence? And Daryl saying “that’s her but not her”? And she did leave with Tyreese (I think) after saving his life. Did she do it to save a friend, or did she just want to kill someone?
    And if the Gov hadn’t finished beheading Hershel would he have returned as a (forgive me) Hershel Walker?

    • Hello!! So glad you found us, Matt!

      Oooh, I like the way you’re using Daryl’s line with your argument, but I’m gonna still hang on to Carol having killed Karen and David. Those are heavy bodies to drag outside, and there’s no way Lizzie could have done it. (UNLESS. Unless you’re thinking she was working WITH Carol? I can’t imagine Carol confessing to something she didn’t do or didn’t do WITH her. I think if that was the case, though, they wouldn’t let her back. And they’d send Lizzie with her.)

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, four for you for the Hershel Walker. FOUR FOR YOU.

      • MP

        I have no problem believing the emotional path to Carol-as-the-killer, but here’s a scenario I can also picture:

        Lizzie, after the “You’re weak” from Carol, has really really taken that to heart in her own messed-up way. So the small-animal dissection is her practicing not being weak; killing Karen and David is her big act of proof. Maybe even with Carol’s stated reasons for it: if it stopped the disease with them, she’d done a good, strong thing, plus they could come back as Walkers — she’s already demonstrated that to her, dead isn’t necessarily dead.

        Carol either walks in on her with the bodies (or Lizzie tells her in a “Look, Ma, I did good, right?” way), or discovers them shortly after in some way that she can easily tell Lizzie did it. The dragging them away and burning them, totally Carol, but covering for Lizzie, and devastated that her attempts to make the kids strong have lead to tragedy in this case.

        This also would work well with her meltdown later where she kicks/beats the crap out of the water jugs — if Carol’s really not sorry at all, it seems a little out of place, but if she’s only *playing* to Rick at being cold and hard enough to kill their own, to cover for the kid, then a private Blue Screen of Death over messed-up Lizzie and her own guilt at helping create her makes perfect sense.

        • THIS is the duo-team Killer that I could believe. But it would pretty much have to be exactly what you’ve said here.

          • MP

            I like it as a possible emotional/psychological arc because DAYUM, way to break Carol’s heart all over again.

            After escaping both physically and emotionally from a human monster (Ed), and becoming a stronger woman and mom, her real child gets turned into a monster-monster who has to be put down, breaking her again. Now she’s come back from that, again getting stronger (though harder too, to protect her surrogate kids from the world and herself from admitting she has become a mom again) and BOOM – her surrogate kid has *also* turned into a monster, and she might be partially responsible. OW PAIN.

            • Have I mentioned that I love the way you think? I could EASILY see this playing out on the show. Easily.

              And OH, would it hurt!! :D

  • Matt

    That’s what I was thinking, Carol drug out the bodies after Lizzie killed them. Whether she helped or encouraged or watched, IDK. That Lizzie may have left with Tyreese leads me to believe the show is setting up some kind of reckoning(if he finds out).

    • I didn’t even factor in that Lizzie left with Tyreese, setting up that particular ball of misery, should your theory prove correct! That is one serious long con they’re playing with her, if so, but hey – that’s what they did with Sophia, too, so it’s definitely possible that this is where they’re going.

  • Miss H.

    Reviews here are the BEST :D Comments here are the BEST, too! Missed ya loads bois n gals~~

    *goes off to read the rest of TWD S4’s reviews
    *IS IT FEB YET OMFG … TWD! GOT! @_@@@@@@@@@@@@@@